Rookie, back in the day when I was reloading I went through a 3 round butt L. Horton special model 24, a 4 24 and a 4 624. Reloading Data for .38 Special - Load Data - 1895Gunner. My Dad has advanced arthritis and could not longer easily work his auto loaders. The Speer #8 lists a max of 7.5 grs Unique with a 125 gr Jacketed SP This would be for plinking for my wife's ~3" Rossi, so something light and fun to shoot would be great.All three of those powders have published load data for that weight bullet in .38 Special.All three of those powders have published load data for that weight bullet in .38 . Which left me with the last two. If you continue to use this site we will assume that you are happy with it. On 7/4/2018 at 11:57 AM, Bill Sahlberg said: There is nothing more accurate at PPC than 148 gr8 HBWC (lead) using 2.8 gr of 231 and a tight crimp with Starline 38 Special brass & a Federal Small pistol primer. But you guys need to practice more. The fast powders, W231, HP38, Bullseye would go over pressure very quickly with any slight changes, in seating depth or primer change. 10 for a full cylinder. Alliant listed 3.6 gr Bullseye as maximum (15000 psi) in 38 Special and 3.8 as max in 38 Special PLUS P (17000 psi) with 158 LSWC bullets. I reload a 3 CA Bulldog in .44 with 200 gr wadcutters, to recreate the Man Stopper loads of long ago. NULLI SECUNDUS. I recently picked up a 396 Nightguard and am a convert to the 44 Special! Therefore, the conventional wisdom is that they must be loaded to a lower velocity. Of course, these will be used in a revolver. (See note on Powders below or read all about various Powders.). When I finally got my hands on a pound of Bullseye, I naturally started with some of these loads. .38 Special: What Ive Learned After 20,000 Rounds, Stacey Abrams Whopper: No one believes in eroding the Second Amendment, Scottsdale Home Owner Uses Shotgun to Stop Naked Home Invader Caught in His Childs Room [VIDEO], Liberty Ammunitions Innovative Personal Defense Rounds are Lighter, Go Faster, and Hit Harder. WST seems like such a good powder in .45 ACP that I thought I might try it. Its the only gun that has appreciated in value (as long as you ignore inflation). is limited to either the various Charter Arms models, or as a training/target load in a .44 magnum size handguns. have been factored in, but Looks like starting with roughly 4.2 of W231. Your experience is definitely motivation for me to give my J-frame more range time! Loads for .38 S&W: This short, little cartridge has been around since the 1870's and was most common in the "break-top" models. I.E. Choosing a bullet You cannot paste images directly. I have two editions of it from different years that have that data. Magnum 44 S&W Special 45 Colt 45 Auto 45 G.A.P 9mm Luger 9x18mm Makarov 32 S&W Long (Cowboy Action) 32-20 Win. The manufacturing process of swaged bullets requires relatively soft lead for two reasons. Love my 642 for concealed carry, but have an SP101 (also a snubby) in .38 special (only) for use on the range. That one Ill keep. 32 S&W Long 15,000 I still think highly of the LCR but would shoot only 148 grain wadcutters in .38 Special or .32 H&R Magnums in the .327 Magnum model. References: Accurate Arms Co. 1996 Reloading booklet Alliant Powder Co. Reloaders Guide (1995) Hodgdons Basic Reloaders Manual (1996) Speer Reloading Manual, #12 Winchester Reloading Components Manual, 14th edition Lyman Piston & Revolver Reloading Handbook, 2nd edition. What are YOU shooting? And if youre doing that with a snub.let me know I wanna watch you shoot em. Even though the gun was chambered for .357 Magnum, I plinked and practiced with a lot of .38s over the years. 11/2/2022. In several of the guns, the old standby couldnt quite duplicate the level of precision they exhibit with current production wadcutters from Black Hills or Winchester, but in each case, the load shot close to or right on the sights and nearly held the X ring. I routinely use only two powders: Trail Boss and Titegroup. Traditionally, the max SAAMI pressures were: 38 S&W 14,500 I only wish the brass was more available locally. I have a few 30-30 cases modified to shoot singles with a very light load. 25 Auto 32 H&R Magnum 32 Auto 32 S&W Long 357 Magnum 38 Special 38 Special +P 38 Super Auto +P 380 Auto 40 S&W 44 Rem. I make a habit of counting the number of reloads I make by keeping a tally of primer and bullet boxes. A handgunner using .38 Specials is set for targets, plinking and small game while .357 Mag. 1995-2022. Through the heyday of bullseye shooting over the various match courses of fire, there was probably a Mount Rushmore-sized mountain of powder loaded and combusted 2.7 grains at a time. It seems to burn completely in the .38 and is not as critical as the faster powders like Bullseye. Thanks for the excellent article, Josh! Do not use anything but light loads and lead bullets in these older revolvers. 100 except where otherwise noted in "remarks" Be Alert: Publisher cannot be responsible for errors in published load data. My Hornady book says for 158 gr L-SWC, Unique powder, CCI magnum primer the minimum listed (not sure if that's absolute minimum) is 4.3 and maximum is 4.7. As for the load ya the 158gr will probably take a little more, but your gun will tell you how much more.. The mild recoil of the mid-range load is a perfect mate to the .38s that most shooters own these daysthe airweight J-Frame or equivalent. (Or so I have heard.). SASS# 85224. Some medium fast powders would work with lighter weight bullets. And yes I appreciate them for a hunting gun because of their fine accuracy and find trigger pulls (older classic guns). Bonus is that dont need magnum Primers for these reloads. Like almost all pistol cartridges called ".38" the .38 Special actually takes .357" diameter bullets. The 158 gr cast plain base accuracy load was 4.0 gr 231 which gave 837 Fps and 15,900 psi. Wes, SASS Wire rules prohibit posting specific load data on the forum, but it can be passed along via private message or email. My other son fired one shot and handed it back. Try. Bullseye or Titegroup cover 90% or more of my .38 Special loadings. A chameleon depending on your loads and the barrel length or action its fired from. With all the loads available, you can surely find one within recoil tolerance. Powered by Invision Community, 125 grain plated flat point in 38 Special. Lord only knows how many cartridge cases I hammered with a plastic mallet into that Lee, it had to be thousands. They are true classics, and I hope you get as much use out of them! Note: More and more test are conducted with all rounds fired with powder UP against the primer for each shot, or DOWN on the bullet for each shot, then gently bring to horizontal to shoot. Bullseye Select A Caliber or Gauge Below To View Recipes. If you havent taken a look at what the .38 Special offers, youre selling yourself short. Just dont shoot a rabbit with this load if you want to be able to eat any of it. Rules say (e) Ammunition- Any safe .38 caliber ammunition using the 158 grain round nose or Semi-Wadcutter bullet only. Maybe its just me, but having that tiny bit of extra length and weight in the cylinder that I was never going to use just kinda bothered me. The floor does not apply for PPC, or the equivalent match for Action Pistol. While I do have a GP100 in .357 magnum, I dont like shooting .38 special ammo out of it, because cleaning powder residue out of the longer chambers is a real bitch. Robert Frost. DR loads (158gr Remington swaged LSWC over 3.6gr AA#2 in Winchester .38 Special cases) I shoot American eagle, remington factory,remington umc, and mag tech. I have tested both brass and nickel-plated cases using mild loadings and have not yet worn out a case. Magtech Sport Shooting, 38 Special, 125 Grain, Full Metal Jacket, Flat, 50 Round Box 38Q You can't rely on this because not all variables for YOUR cases and chamber and loading length, etc. They have a large selection about the hard cast loads from 90 to 170 gains. TITEGROUP AND 125GR 38 SPECIAL LOAD DATA Ammunition-Gunsmithing Reloading Forum Register Notices Consider Becoming A Supporting Member Click HERE For The Benefits Reloading All Reloading Topics Go Here Thread Tools Display Modes # 1 01-24-2016, 05:38 AM RONALD HENSLEY Member Join Date: Jul 2013 Location: Waynesville NC Posts: 114 Likes: 12 Below, are three loaded rounds. Wow I learned something vital from this topic. I have experimented with both of Hornadys 200-grain semiwadcutters in this load: the more button-nosed SWC and the longer Combat/Target (C/T) version. I always used mixed brass because it was all I had. I realized that I had hit a very special count for a very special cartridge: 20,000 rounds of .38 Special. I have used everything from simple lead to the most advanced machined copper bullets and found them all to be extraordinarily easy to load and shoot. [ARCHIVED THREAD] - 5.0 gr unique with berry's 125gr = .38 Special squibs (solved ! Reloading .44 Spl. Im still new to reloading, having done 2500 38 spl with bullseye. Im also impressed by the apparent durability of your Airweight J-frame. Great Cast Lead Bullet for IDPA. Despite being well over one hundred years old, it still has perfect relevance for todays shooters, both novice and advanced. By 4.0 gr. 3 1/2" average not included flyers which seem to happen on every group test. This is my plink load for the kids. Use data for weight. 38 spl.s. No. Your email address will not be published. Midway has it in stock. "Berry's Superior Plated Bullets are the finest bonded copper-jacketed bullets available today.." ?. i use a Lee mold 150 round nose with 4 grains of bullseye crimped into the crimp groove of the bullet. Although the .357 cylinders are the same length so they can be timed to a 642. Disclaimer, I own or owned all the super calibers out there except the casull, theyre all fun and quite useful in some scenarios, but dont discount the old timer. Also internet references 2009, Copyright. Boolit Grand Master. Like the author said, I consider it a garbage disposal round as you can load it with almost anything with good results. So I expect recoil would be substantial and not very target-ish. 4.0 gr. Reducing consumables (and therefore cost) that much more is definitely appealing to me. I don't have a chronograph, but have considered picking one up. Notes: Bbl Length: 5.6; primer: Fed. June 13, 2016 in 9mm/38 Caliber. Any clues for powder and starting loads???? Therefore, .38 Special +P ammo can be as much as 17.5 percent hotter than standard .38 Special. As I researched loads in the meantime, I kept seeing the same several popping up again and again in sources from as recent as yesterday to long out of print books from when air travel was a newfangled wonder. 7, No. Designed in 1898, the .38 Smith & Wesson Special cartridge went on . I use 2.8-3.0 grains of Bullseye or AA#2 with 158 gr. If you have the means, I highly recommend you trying one out. 01-10-2014, 06:49 PM #4. dverna. Speer shows 3.9 to 4.5 grains for a double end lead wadcutter but I'm thinking that may be a little strong for a plated bullet. So it is my gut feeling that Winchester found it to be touchy in smaller calibers like 38 special and 9mm Luger. Clays, Universal, HP38, HS6 and H4895 are products of Hodgdon Powders. When using a 158 gr. A cold header, at their basic level, are multi ton power presses laying down on their side. Interesting. For those folks shooting a lot of lead bullets, invest in a Lewis lead remover. THAT TIME IS BETTER SPENT LEARNING HOW TO SHOOT THE REVOLVER IN THE RAPID FIRE PORTION. I could knock out a pretty substantial chunk of my shooting needs with only these three loads. in a belt holster at 4:00. Good thing I didn't go with the original powder charge I intended to use. Think that if a .44 spl. 10,870. Each of the classic loads is also economical. * Ive played with several that I like, but the classic in 9mm is 4.4 grains driving a 115-grain jacketed bullet. In one or two strokes, the bullet is formed ready for dip lubing. IMHO .38 special is just fine for self defense, but just not enough to crack engine blocks. I can not be held responsible for. .38 J frame.) swatmag.com is a participant in the Amazon Services LLC Associates Program, an affiliate advertising program designed to provide a means for sites to earn advertising fees by advertising and linking to Amazon.com. Not sure how that translates to Bullseye powder. There seems to be a dearth of information using WST powder for the 38 Spl cartridge. Also some WSF. Maybe its just my age, but I may never shoot a 38 again after discovering the 32. Ive long since changed to a press, but that Lee Loader in its cardboard box is still in a storage box for obsolescent reloading gear. 6.) These have a good profile- longer at the top where the middle finger rides, and shorter where the pinkie rests. I have done it with 38 special and 44 Mag, only to have a lead coated bore that looked like a rusty old drain pipe. I'm planning to use Alliant's Unique powder to reload with 125 grain flat point jacketed bullets from Berry's and Winchester small pistol primers. Is it considered safe to down load a cartridge that far under starting? 8.) Not in that order. The more serious concern for some loaders is that the small charges of fast-burning powder take up little room in the case, making it possible to double charge a cartridge and exceed safe pressure. To many shooters, .45 ACP means 230-grain hardball at 830 fps. Due to different barrel lengths, type of bullet, seating depth, primer type and other factors, you may not get near the FPS charted. The instructors worked magic in many cases, but having a load like this to gradually work shooters onto full-strength loads would have been a great tool. I use Bullseye powder but it's about the same burn rate. 38 Special, all bullet weights Bullet Powder Weight Powder Velocity OAL Primer Source 110gr JHP! That blunt-ended bullet cut a clean hole all the way through whatever its modest velocity allowed it to penetrate. Hehe, back before Nick skimmed down. Winchester's website has data for W231 and a 125 gr LRNFP, but not plated. .38 brass isnt as common as 9, .40, or .45 brass at the range, but of all the revolver brass you can find its the most plentiful. The only way to shoot both 9mm and .38 special is to have two separate cylinders timed to the revolver. At belly button range, very nasty load. In fact, Hornady's handloading manual includes .357-inch bullets in the load data for the .38 Super, specifically 125-grain and 140-grain XTP bullets, along with .355-inch bullets, and their one remaining .356-inch bullet, the 125-grain HAP.
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