mountain lions in new hampshire

About two years ago I was at the Laconia airport on the way home from the airport and there's a big lake on one side called Lily Pond. No that's a little bit outside the range. Caller: Yeah. Sam Evans-Brown: And second the evidence required is is you know pretty pretty tough to gather. You're on the air. Maps of Trapping Take by Town 1994 to 2004. Peter Biello: This is the exchange on an HP yard today we're talking about the mysterious elusive majestic Mystic Mountain Lion. Theres a project called the Cougar Network that tracks verified sightings, and they are all around us: Massachusetts, Connecticut, Maine, New York and New Brunswick have all had verified sightings over the past 20 years or so. Well let's talk a little bit about that. I mean so what what is the practical change that it would bring to New Hampshire if any. It was some sort of a Lion Mountain Lion animal. There is some information that suggests that it spent a portion of its time in Massachusetts near the Claiborne reservoir. So you know until I found those two scats I didn't think that mountain lions were here in the east. I believe I saw one that's fine and I'm not looking for an immediate story. They lived perhaps elsewhere in New England and they were just passing through and happened to have an encounter of some sort. SUE Morse naturalist and science director for the organization keeping track. Right. So I will just say this is a big reason why there have not been confirmed sightings I think is that the evidence required first. Our guests today Patrick Tate New Hampshire Fish and Game Wildlife biologist Sam Evans Brown host of an HP podcast outside in. I tracked cats and all the western states. List of Mountains in New Hampshire is a general list of mountains in New Hampshire, with elevation.This list includes many mountains in the White Mountains range that covers about a quarter of the state, as well as mountains outside of that range.. Fish and Wildlife Service decided all of the cougars, pumas, and mountain lions in the country are actually the same species, and that species hasnt had a breeding population anywhere near the Northeast for at least 70 years. I live pretty much on the town line of Greenfield just a couple of miles down in the Greenfield. What gets confusing is when you have a large adult animal and a smaller juvenile animal of a different species you can now step start beginning talking about overlapping body weights and sizes. Many people in New Hampshire have claimed to have seen mountain lions. Share. Sunny today high temperatures low to mid 80s it'll be clear tonight overnight lows in the 50s for tomorrow sunshine with high temperatures mid to upper 80s. We live around Cold Springs Campground and it was undeniably a mountain lion. He says when youve got a mountain lion in town, its kinda obvious. Less than a year later I found a scat on the swamp range and I was working at the time with a fellow at the Michigan wildlife habitat Federation. Peter Biello: Oh okay. So yeah as far as wildlife species that put deer and trees know there aren't any others that I know of that put deer in trees just just humans might be responsible for that. However, as far as I can tell theres no Deep State Conspiracy to cover up a breeding population of cougars in the Granite State. Sam Evans-Brown: Well and I think and the last takeaway here is everyone I think probably agrees that any possible sightings that have been seen. Well they are the same. Tim Yeah. The Eastern mountain lion is extinct in the eastern United States and Canada, but in 2011, a . HOLDERNESS, N.H. (AP) Two of the known mountain lions in New Hampshire have spent their 15 years in close proximity to humans. Rick van de Poll: Well a report that you know as John Harrigan up north has in co-ops County for about 15 years I kept track of reports and people would call me and tell me where they saw the mountain lion they thought they saw it and it varied right from you know downtown villages all the way to remote highlands of the North Country and and everywhere in between. From came from out west they tracked it all the way back to the Black Hills in the Dakotas. A monthly donation of $5 makes a real difference. Support for an age PR comes from you our listeners. As recently as 2011 there was one young male mountain lion that cruised all the way from the black hills of South Dakota, up over the Great Lakes, down through New Yorkgetting spotted all. And as the biologist who's gonna stand on this and if I'm going to say this is a proven picture I need to be able to stand on it so soundly and have the evidence so I going to go through it with a fine tooth comb kept picking pieces apart trying to answer these pieces. 1,470 likes. There are corollaries in other states. He told me that on one of his many scouting trips for Black Bear he found a deer carcass up in a tree. Pat what do you think the mystique of the mountain lion. Sam Evans-Brown: So Tim so this cat's been been referenced a couple of times I think we should talk about it specifically lay the whole story out for folks who haven't heard the story because it's actually I think really indicative of a lot of stuff for talking about. Had great trees behind it beautiful ferns on the ground so it brought me down on the site and the ferns on the ground matched. Caller: It had to be a mountain lion convinced I was about 30. And here we're talking about in this situation we're talking about it migrated from the West. And in fact in 2011 when it was announced that the eastern cougar was officially extinct the reason that announcement was made is because they said really that it never existed. Thank you. 44-H Links. Patrick Tate: So Cougar Mountain Lion katama. Let's look for other evidence. Peter Biello: The number is 1 800 8 9 2 6 4 7 7. So they're not afraid of humans and they'll show up like a regular housecat. So nowadays we think of this in the Northeast as crazy stuff that people have a mountain lion as a pet. Peter Biello: Yeah some of what she was saying sounds like it would require getting pretty close or at least having a nice zoom lens right Sam like. He writes As a farmer I come across many outdoorsman looking to hunt our property had a conversation with one who believed very strongly that we had mountain lions in New Hampshire. and territorial animals are much more inclined to create a problem with passer bys than dispersing animals in fact I'd be totally shocked if a dispersal would encounter with a human purposefully unless they had already had some type of training to do so. John. Do we have native species that could have exhibited this type of behavior leaving leaving a deer carcass up in a tree. There's never, ever, ever, ever been a documented case of a black mountain lion. David Erler says some of them probably have. But I do think that it's appropriate that a fishing game agency would recognize verifiable proof if they could. DNA from scat or from fur, a clear track that is confirmed by an expert, or a photo that clearly shows a mountain lion. How to Report a Possible Mountain Lion Sighting. Something along those lines. Do cougars live in New England? To date most of the pictures that have been sent in have been bobcats and other species Ive received pictures of house cats. Caller: I do. So Pat you field a lot of calls about people seeing or reportedly seeing mountain lions. Caller: And the more I thought about it the color of it it was definitely not a bobcat. The big cat has been extinct here since the mid-1800s. They're the generalists that made it through both the arrival of the Clovis people with their with their spears and then the Europeans with their guns. I mean no doubt a seen Bobcat seen his stuff. You've got you've got biologists right who are trying to make their make their way in the world make a career if you are the biologists who confirmed a sighting of mountain lions in the state that would be very good for you like you would be all over the news. Mountain Lions in NH. The 17-year-old Kiger mustang mare was born in Bend, Oregon, said Hodskins, who got her . There are mountain lion in Massachusetts. 235 or nhandy@ledgertranscript.com. But you've done some reporting on this. Are there other powers that be worried that scary mountain lions will scare off people from camping in New Hampshire. Peter Biello: And Carl before you continue I think Patrick Tate just give me a second. Part II. I have one that's more elaborate than that. Theyve always said when we have verifiable evidence to say a mountain lion has been, is, or was in the state that wed acknowledge that and give that information out, says Pat Tate, the furbearer biologist with New Hampshire Fish and Game, who insists theres no conspiracy. Select image for larger view. Someone's got to see one they're very secretive. And maybe it's a no holds barred nostalgia for a better world a wild or Fuller world not a world that's constrained by our boundaries and our taxes and our highways. Patrick Tate: So one thing I'd say is DNA would definitely identify an animal animal's Mark line or not. But you won't find evidence of their existence in paw prints in the snow or a deer carcass in a tree. Are these big cats back?Subscribe to WMUR on YouTube now for more: http://bit.ly/1lOjX9CGet more Manchester news: http://wmur.comLike us: http://facebook.com. It was in the spring flash kind of early summer and my wife looked at you look at the size of an adult bear and we were up in arms. And it came out we could see it had and we could see its long swooping tail. I looked at the picture and asked me what do you see in the picture and I wrote back. Have it reported down in the Keene area. But having read a bit of information about his cougar there are a darker subspecies. The tail leave is a giveaway but not everybody gets to see the tail. Its closest living relative is the cheetah. Sam Evans-Brown: So I just had two thoughts which is that we hear a lot of these stories and all of us here have heard these stories. And why would they what. Chartered: 1973 . We'll be right back. Anyways after three weeks I finally found the image on line on a field and stream photo contest and the explanation in the end was the person that set the camera out with another individual and they believed that someone who knew of the camera location saw the similarities put the can't picture on their SD card so it looked like that camera recorded the image that is. Its impossible to say, but I think the odds are pretty good that some of these sightings are legit. Patrick Tate: If I could just say one thing. The number 1 800 8 9 2 6 4 7 7 so promised a discussion about conspiracy theories. Tonight, Sean McDonald investigates,. They sent it already. As recently as 2011 there was one young male mountain lion that cruised all the way from the black hills of South Dakota, up over the Great Lakes, down through New Yorkgetting spotted all along the waykilled a beaver near the Quabbin Reservoir in Central Massachusetts, left behind prints and DNA at that site, and then was hit by a car in Connecticut. Peter Biello: And then it ran away okay. I had a resident in New Hampshire tell me a story of a mountain lion in the 1960s where a person who would come summer in New Hampshire and then live in a different part of the country in the winter had a trailer that was housing his mount line. Want to report a Mountain Lion sighting in New Hampshire? Some are included in lists of mountains, such as the Appalachian Mountain Club (AMC) list of the Hundred Highest peaks of New England, or the . Peter Biello: Give us a call 1 800 8 9 2 6 4 7 7 you can also send us an email exchange at an HP morgue. She quotes a biologist in Lyme New Hampshire who who is keeping two mountain lions himself so in the not too distant past in the early nineteen hundreds it was perhaps more common and still in Maine. Caller: Are probably. It's you know I recognized their report and. Peter Biello: Let's go to Mike in Epping. You know I think it's there's a lady Holly Ernst out in California who has done a lot of the genotyping of mountain lions in Northern California the ones that are of course most people have heard about taking down hikers bikers etc. The unheralded hero of Apollo John Hubble the man who knew the way to the moon. Right. So. This is a machine-generated transcript, and may contain errors. So there is definitely no downward pressure by anyone. But I was riding a mountain bike not far from my house. Peter Biello: Yeah. My wife and I saw a mountain lion. I came to a stop and it was and I've seen a lot of bobcats in my time and I just came to a stop it was just sort of confused about what I was seeing. No doubt in my mind it was. Patrick Tate: So I'm not sure what subspecies of cat they're using to differentiate by those markings but once she was describing the White other face in the black. Peter Biello: Mm hmm. No evidence and other states where Mountain lights have turned up. Sam Evans-Brown: One in fact Helena silver in that sort of tome that Rick van de Poll read from at the beginning is she. Sort of dropped onto the SD card of a camera he'd set up out in the wild. So what counts as verifiable evidence? Each person had their own copy and now it was identify the trees the species of tree matched. Caller: I have yeah. There's no logic for why they'd be listed as an endangered species. They create these scrapes where theyre communicating with each other with scent. Sam Evans-Brown: Well first I want to sort of explain why what the theory is but then also throw a bit of cold water on it because I don't think there's much much logic behind it but essentially is that if fish and game were to acknowledge that there was a population of Mount lions in the state there's a chance that something like a listing under the federal Endangered Species Act might happen and then there'd be you know some they'd have to put a plan in place to protect the species there'd be you know restrictions put on development. The exchange is a production of New Hampshire Public Radio. Patrick Tate: I don't believe it is. So you want identifiable backgrounds. brings a lot of. I've collected scat samples I've got several in my collection. So maybe a good pet for you but not for your neighbor if you just stop by unannounced. N.H.'s Fish and Game department says there's no proof mountain lions live in the state, yet residents from Bedford to Berlin have been reporting sightings for years. It is also known as cougar, panther, mountain lion, and puma, though catamount is the preferred regional vernacular. New Hampshire Public Radio | Yeah I did. So if you were to ask me has a mountain lion ever passed through New Hampshire and been spotted by somebody who wasnt able to get hard evidence? Id personally be willing to say "probably, yes.". Sam Evans-Brown: What he would have stopped as well I think is way way that the reason that mountain lion kept moving is because he wasn't finding anybody. Peter Biello: Or send us an email exchange at an HP board. Caller: Well I think Patrick I recognized your name. And sometimes I've seen pictures of those where it's the question is What is that is that a bobcat. And Rick Van de Poll naturalist and founder of ecosystem management consultants of New England. Russ, from Sandwich (and Bedford) asks: In Sandwich New Hampshire, everybody has a story about seeing a mountain lion. There were several sightings in CT over the last few months. And they were using all the habitat. It was not a bobcat. But you can continue the conversation on Facebook or at our Web site and HP Borg. Patrick Tate: Martin Like what about Panther Panther saying animals same animal and like a bit of trivia Guinness Book of World Records says the animal with the most names is in English alone they're supposedly 40 names for Mount lion. Really appreciate you guys being here as well. And those and that's how you can go from a story that Pat says I have nothing to say about that to a story that you know could be the first verified sighting in over 100 years. Thank you very much for that story really appreciate it. So for our scientists to do the lumping and whatnot. The DNA the DNA that they were able to pull from the cat suggested that it was a dispersed mountain lion that came. A 140-pound male mountain lion was hit by a car and killed in 2011 in Milford, Connecticut. Mountain Lions in New Hampshire-Fact or Fiction 3,207 views Jul 31, 2019 78 Dislike Share Save New Hampshire Fish and Wildlife 634 subscribers During my thirty-one career at the New. If you believe you have seen a mountain lion and want to report it to NH Fish and Game, please contact the Wildlife Division at (603) 271-2461 or wildlife@wildlife.nh.gov to request an observation report form. I just stood there just a second and I came to a complete stop and then I ran away. Don't miss your chance to win three two thousand dollar gas gift cards at any station of your choice not to mention the grand prize twenty five thousand dollars toward a new car. We actually have the largest subspecies of bobcat in the northern part of our state which they can get up to 40 and over 40 pounds which looks like an 80 pound the animal to visually and quite large. JavaScript must be enabled for some features to display properly. Patrick Tate: It became a very interesting investigation over time because it started becoming. So here we have you know a very qualified biologist who who found a print took a plaster cast found a scat send it to a university. Yeah 13 to 15 years ago 13 to 15 years ago. And today we're talking about the mysterious elusive mountain line with folks who know something about it. Have a photo. As I tried to get a picture of it so there was it was definitely we looked up all the pictures and it was definitely not a bobcat or anything else being it looked just like a mountain lion. I would say that there's going to be the truth in here somewhere. Peter Biello: They make great mascots at least. Thank you very much for listening. So I just throwing that out there it's interesting. Sam Evans-Brown has been working for New Hampshire Public Radio since 2010, when he began as a freelancer. I hope she's listening and she had spoke to a lot of different people ended up having a couple of sightings of her alone without sort of by accident. Despite numerous reports, the NH Fish and Game Department continues to have no physical evidence of mountain lion presence in the state. Peter Biello: Yeah well what do you think Pat is. Since 1917, Lions clubs have offered people the opportunity to give something back to their communities. Its distinctive featurethe one that sets it apart from other North American wild catsis its tail, which is thick and often as long as its body. Mountain lions ( Puma concolor) are one of the six native species of wild cats in North America. I just saw the head and the tail that was leaving. They're very loyal to what the handler which makes them very dangerous to everyone else. If youd like to submit a question (or send a mountain line photo) you can record it as a voice memo on your smart phone and send it tooustidein@nhpr.org, OR call our hotline, 1-844-GO-OTTER (1-844-466-8837) and leave a message. You know you have to have a license and it's hard to get that license a license to own a mountain lion. Peter Biello: Well John thanks very much for the story really appreciate it. I'm Peter B yellow. There was no sign of it. I saw the tail end of a literally from behind the shoulder The Long Tail mountain lion crossing the highway going from Password to often Village downtown. Mountain lions can be found throughout Arizona, and data suggests the populations are not only stable, but growing. But you won't find evidence of their existence in paw prints in the snow or a deer carcass in a tree. So Michael follows with the question. It doesn't make much sense because you know mountain lions are as we as we said before. Monday, December 5th: Mountain Lions in New Hampshire? That's why we always go back to the physical evidence to support what they're reporting. For over 38 years the Saddleback Mountain Lions have offered people a chance to give back to their community. Almost all species disperse greater distances than females. Caller: Absolutely. So do they. And there are thousands of mountain lions killed every year legally through hunting, and there have been untold tens of thousands of mountain lions killed by hunters over the last hundred years, says Mark Elbroch, the Puma Program Director for Panthera, a global wild cat conservation organization, So even the folks who live with mountain lions still have a fancy and see something thats not there to me thats incredible.. Me Im willing to believe its possible that there are some out there. Is that typically what was happening there. NHPR is nonprofit and independent. Patrick Tate: And there's one other way to model that is the same animal. HOLDERNESS, N.H. (AP) Two of the known mountain lions in New Hampshire have spent their 15 years in close proximity to humans. So so they're just a very resilient species and they're pretty they're pretty neat. Sam Evans-Brown: But I mean the video I had been sent was you know a recording of a animal growling but it was in slow motion and when I asked the person why is this in slow motion the denied that it was so there's a lot of weird stuff that happens in regards to people claiming they've seen they've seen these things. I'll send it to you. And so. John Holt's ideas were at first dismissed but he refused to be silent. A lot of times. So when we hear mountain lion there's also cougar there's wild cat there's Bobcat which is not a mountain lion maybe Patrick could you sort of spell out the different terms which are synonymous and which are completely different animals. Love hearing these stories. One was in Shelton. And I just said I saw I saw they from behind the shoulder all the way past the long tail. NH Fish and Game relies on physical evidence to answer questions about the presence or absence of mountain lion in the state. So the whole media hype about how scary mountain lions are should should go away immediately and that would be that I think the major thrust of educating folks about these casualties vs.. Sam Evans-Brown: Sam go ahead. John is calling from Bennington. Well just that I have evidence and it was not it was denied by fishing game at the time and I you know there's I don't need to prove to anybody that I saw one just like some of your callers said okay. The best documentation we have in New Hampshire suggests there hasnt been a mountain lion killed by a hunter in this state since 1885. Part II. Any sense of of whether or not mountain lions are sort of wary of more population dense areas like like the one he was describing Rick. NHPR is nonprofit and independent. Rick van de Poll: Well I didn't. But if people are still seeing mountain lions, why is the state and federal government seeking to COVER IT UP!? And that's this morning at 10:00 here on NH PR. It's completely possible that it may have spent time in New Hampshire and went undetected but had it stayed in the area ultimately it would have been detected over time. Reviewing the evidence, the U.S. How to Report a Possible Mountain Lion Sighting. I think that you probably are. But the state always denies it, and none of us know why they deny it. Let's go now to to Kyle in Keene I believe Kyle is this Kyle Jarvis from the Keene Sentinel a former reporter and former reporter.

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